Thanks kemical I have tried the F8 thing consistantly thats why I thought it was no longer an option in Vista. I am baffled looks like a format and reload. I even flashed my Bios to the newest version and still no luck. I suspect some kind of Trojan lurking in the underworld. I noticed my home page had been hijacked in internet explorer to Security Center and even after changing it back a few times it kept reverting back. Then after restart I had these issues, Beware!